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we also saw an attack on the pentagon. it didn't destroy the pentagon. it didn't cause the number of casualties would you see in a major battle, although every life lost was a tragedy. but it was a psychological blow to the united states. it was in some ways the foundational principle of terrorism. how do you exact the greatest amount of terror, a lack of confidence, a fear in a people, particularly in the civilian population, while doing what would be relatively speaking a small amount of damage? and i don't want to diminish the amount of physical damage that was done. but relative to the scenes that we have seen from world war ii, for destruction of entire cities, for destruction of buildings and infrastructure that existed not for years, not for decades, but for centuries, and yet the threat is as great as the threats we have faced before. and within the context of this war of terror, as opposed to the war on terror, because the war is really against those who would destroy us, utilizing terror, i don't think you should define a war as against the tac
we also saw an attack on the pentagon. it didn't destroy the pentagon. it didn't cause the number of casualties would you see in a major battle, although every life lost was a tragedy. but it was a psychological blow to the united states. it was in some ways the foundational principle of terrorism. how do you exact the greatest amount of terror, a lack of confidence, a fear in a people, particularly in the civilian population, while doing what would be relatively speaking a small amount of...
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pentagon official said to me at one point, what did we do? call up northrup grumman and say we don't want the last 7% of that airplane, keep the tail? >> it's more of a slope than a cliff. >> the cliff is a little bit of a misnomer, but it could be a cliff in the sense that markets can react very badly. we have really lucked out in the sense that despite our apparent inability to govern ourselves and come to the compromises that everybody wants that we haven't been punished too much by the market so far. but one much the things that's interesting. you have the extremes in both parties willing to go over the cliff at the same time you ask matt dowd, senator durbin and graham if they were an anomaly. i don't think they are in the sense that i think they're a growing cadre especially in the senate of members from both parties who understand elements of the deal. >> that's what i was going to follow up on. if there's some way you could substitute truth serum and got everybody to ask the same questions they all know on both sides of the aisle the
pentagon official said to me at one point, what did we do? call up northrup grumman and say we don't want the last 7% of that airplane, keep the tail? >> it's more of a slope than a cliff. >> the cliff is a little bit of a misnomer, but it could be a cliff in the sense that markets can react very badly. we have really lucked out in the sense that despite our apparent inability to govern ourselves and come to the compromises that everybody wants that we haven't been punished too much...
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and ended another in afghanistan and reassessing our role in the world, we cannot find savings in the pentagon i think is not a fair assessment. at simpson-bowles said and others, there are savings to be had there that would not compromise our national security. i want to also add simpson-bowles approach establish firewalls in the outer years to delay the temptation to go back into the nondefense accounts when too much political pressure keeps you out of defense spending. so i would hope that in a long-term agreement would include that. on the nondefense side, i still think there's a savings to be found. i give you a couple illustrations of those that i think might be of some value to us. first, hats off to debbie stabenow and pat roberts putting together a far build that safest $23 billion over the next 10 years. that's something that hits my state directly, but i think they did it thoughtful, bipartisan job of saving money toward deficit reduction. there are other areas where savings can be found as well. and i think that we need to look at those honestly. let me kill you, i think the infras
and ended another in afghanistan and reassessing our role in the world, we cannot find savings in the pentagon i think is not a fair assessment. at simpson-bowles said and others, there are savings to be had there that would not compromise our national security. i want to also add simpson-bowles approach establish firewalls in the outer years to delay the temptation to go back into the nondefense accounts when too much political pressure keeps you out of defense spending. so i would hope that...
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it takes place in cia headquarters, the pentagon, and at the white house. you know, it's funny for me to write a story about a military operation where 90% of the story takes place in washington, d.c., but that's where the story actually unfolded. today, unique, i think, among presidents of the united states, president obama is almost, daily, given a dossier on a target. this is someone in the cross hairs of the cia or the military, and obama or directer petraeus has to make a decision about whether to shoot at that target, whether to take that person out. now, i know that presidents have had to make critically important decisions affecting thousands and hundreds of thousands of lives throughout history of this country, but it seems to me to be a new development for the president of the united states to be deciding on individual targets around the world on a regular basis, and i think that that is probably one of the most unique developments in modern war, and that kind of defines right now the nature of the war that we're fighting. obama, when he said that
it takes place in cia headquarters, the pentagon, and at the white house. you know, it's funny for me to write a story about a military operation where 90% of the story takes place in washington, d.c., but that's where the story actually unfolded. today, unique, i think, among presidents of the united states, president obama is almost, daily, given a dossier on a target. this is someone in the cross hairs of the cia or the military, and obama or directer petraeus has to make a decision about...
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they are not only serving on the front lines, but working in places like the pentagon and headquarter command like central command and working at afghanistan and iraq and other headquarters and there are probably about 2000 or 3000 navy seals. they started in 1962 by president john f. kennedy. the reason why he started it is because what president kennedy wanted to do, he wanted to have dedicated and highly trained forces. those he could put into difficult situations who could not only respond tactically but who can also respond and be thoughtful about working in dangerous situations. his theory that led to the development of this was called a flexible response. the idea was the united states needed to be able to respond in a flexible manner. we needed to be rid able to respond in a flexible manner. that's what led to the development. >> [inaudible question] >> the question was what i care to comment about the latest book on the bin laden rate. you know, i don't think it was a good book to write. i will tell you why. one is that i have tremendous respect for admiral mcraven. he was a
they are not only serving on the front lines, but working in places like the pentagon and headquarter command like central command and working at afghanistan and iraq and other headquarters and there are probably about 2000 or 3000 navy seals. they started in 1962 by president john f. kennedy. the reason why he started it is because what president kennedy wanted to do, he wanted to have dedicated and highly trained forces. those he could put into difficult situations who could not only respond...
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of command went from my headquarters at the 7th infrapb tridivision headquarters right back to the pentagon. we said that should never happen again. so we looked at command of control relationships in this exercise. so we're going to bring up the next panel and this exercise was conducted in august and we're going to take a few minutes to get the panel up here and we'll have the panel moderator introduce us, john vaughan from harris, but if any of you need to make a head call, behind these screens we have men and women's heads, restrooms for those of you who don't know the term. behind those screens. rich is telling me i'm going back wrong end of the ship, back that way behind the screens, so feel free to go back there. so let's take a few minutes now and bring the panel up and the panel moderator, john vaughan thank my name is john vaughan, i'm from harris corporation. we're delighted a sponsor again this year of san francisco fleet week. our focus, if you had an opportunity to see on the way in the demonstration, is on interoperatability. this has been a challenge as lts general just ment
of command went from my headquarters at the 7th infrapb tridivision headquarters right back to the pentagon. we said that should never happen again. so we looked at command of control relationships in this exercise. so we're going to bring up the next panel and this exercise was conducted in august and we're going to take a few minutes to get the panel up here and we'll have the panel moderator introduce us, john vaughan from harris, but if any of you need to make a head call, behind these...
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, a lot of focus has been on the pentagon. that these are a lot more concerned about the 50 billion in domestic discretion spending restraint every year and the arts are on the defense budget and you did see the republican study committee, the conservative caucus within republican house which is majority of house members, maybe 60% announce one thing worse than sequestration would be that having to save his. so this stampede that was attempted, from is stamping their own to people trying to start the stampede, and it didn't take. you didn't get a demand that the defense budget remain untouched, either in public opinion or in the house and the senate. so i think sequestration happens, don't think i could imagine is if, they were both rather to get out of entitlements and out of the annual budgets. could they cut a deal where they say the same amount of money but out of entitlements? that's the only compromise that i could see. and then you get to the grand bargain idea which i always think of us has a because his me every time
, a lot of focus has been on the pentagon. that these are a lot more concerned about the 50 billion in domestic discretion spending restraint every year and the arts are on the defense budget and you did see the republican study committee, the conservative caucus within republican house which is majority of house members, maybe 60% announce one thing worse than sequestration would be that having to save his. so this stampede that was attempted, from is stamping their own to people trying to...
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only serving in seal ma toons on -- platoons on the front lines, they're working at places like the pentagon, central command and working in afghanistan and iraq and some of the headquarters, and so there's probably about 2,000 to 3,000 navy seals. they were started on january 1, 1962, by president john f. kennedy. and the reason why he started the seals was he wanted to have a force -- a seal, you may know, stands for sea, air and land commando. and what president kennedy wanted to do was he wanted to have a force of people, a dedicated and high will hi-trained force that -- highly-trained force that he could put in deadly situations who could not only respond tactically, but could also respond and use their minds and be thoughtful about working in some very difficult, dangerous situations. and his theory, the international relations thief ri that led to the development of the sale team was called the flexible response. and the idea was that the united states needed to be able to respond in a flexible manner, not just using nuclear weapons which was kind of the theory at the time. we needed
only serving in seal ma toons on -- platoons on the front lines, they're working at places like the pentagon, central command and working in afghanistan and iraq and some of the headquarters, and so there's probably about 2,000 to 3,000 navy seals. they were started on january 1, 1962, by president john f. kennedy. and the reason why he started the seals was he wanted to have a force -- a seal, you may know, stands for sea, air and land commando. and what president kennedy wanted to do was he...
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we are borrowing to sustain our government is money borrowed to sustain food stamps as well as the pentagon. we ought to be thinking of that in terms of our values and our future. let me speak to a couple of elements here that i think progressives should keep in mind. progressives cannot afford to stand on the sidelines in this fiscal cliff debate. important critical decisions will be made soon that will affect this country for 10 years. i think we need to be a part of this conversation. we need to be open to some topics and some issues that are painful and hard for us to talk about. we cannot stand by the sidelines in denial that this is ever going to engage us in the things we value. we cannot be so night -- not leave to believe that just taxing the rich will solve our problems. i believe that is an important part of a solution. we have to look to reform and change that is significant, that preserves many of the values and programs that brought us political life, and we cannot believe that merely ignoring these programs or not engaging will solve the problem. pick up any of the newspapers
we are borrowing to sustain our government is money borrowed to sustain food stamps as well as the pentagon. we ought to be thinking of that in terms of our values and our future. let me speak to a couple of elements here that i think progressives should keep in mind. progressives cannot afford to stand on the sidelines in this fiscal cliff debate. important critical decisions will be made soon that will affect this country for 10 years. i think we need to be a part of this conversation. we...
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the pentagon has some very interesting things. a policy where every 10th day you can take off. the second issue, you can make it available -- here it is, there is princeton tenure, but only wimps take it, not serious professionals -- why do people not have it? you are immediately sent in some way people could benefit from it most in terms of having the time and staying on the career track are not going to take it. then you have to change the rules. at princeton, what we did is if you take it you are off the tenure track -- you have to ask not to. that suddenly changes things. if everybody was getting it, people were not crazy -- you can ask to come up for tenure early. if you want to, more power to you. i do not know anybody who has gone for that yet. you can change the rules -- you have to change them for men and women. more broadly, and this goes back to our vocabulary, drop out, opted out, i read all the time that anne-marie slaughter opted out. that would be news to my kids. and my husband. i am still travel in half the time, still giving speeches, doing lots of things. it
the pentagon has some very interesting things. a policy where every 10th day you can take off. the second issue, you can make it available -- here it is, there is princeton tenure, but only wimps take it, not serious professionals -- why do people not have it? you are immediately sent in some way people could benefit from it most in terms of having the time and staying on the career track are not going to take it. then you have to change the rules. at princeton, what we did is if you take it...
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when i normal world and i ask people what they think the source of american power is, the either side pentagon or the size of the federal debt. if you're the biggest debtor in the world, it gives research and power. are you optimistic that these can be reversed? 30 seconds. >> some very optimistic about america's future. we have to approach that future with confidence. we have to get our house right, but we have to be prepared to engage with confidence abroad. we are still that shine a light on the hill that people look to. they are disappointed when we don't deliver. we're disappointed when we don't deliver. i think we can, both at home and abroad, find a way. it will not be simple. our government takes longer to get things done than a real economy would like. of the end of the day, i am optimistic. >> . q.. -- thank you. they care so much. steve case, michael porter, robert kimmitt, douglas holtz- eakin. host: caller: -- [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] price talking about the so- called fiscal cliff and what the
when i normal world and i ask people what they think the source of american power is, the either side pentagon or the size of the federal debt. if you're the biggest debtor in the world, it gives research and power. are you optimistic that these can be reversed? 30 seconds. >> some very optimistic about america's future. we have to approach that future with confidence. we have to get our house right, but we have to be prepared to engage with confidence abroad. we are still that shine a...
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president said he does not want to change the money for the pentagon. mitch mcconnell said we are not raising taxes to ransom the pentagon budget cuts. a lot of focus has been on the pentagon but these are more concerned about the $50 billion in domestic discretionary spending restraint every year. you did to the republican study committee. the announced all a thing worse than sequestration would not be having savings. this stampede attempted did not take. he denied a demand that the defense budget be remain untouched, either of the public opinion or the house. i think sequestration happens. the only thing i could imagine is if they -- the r's and d's would both rather take it out of entitlements rather than the annual budgets. could they cut a deal where they save the same amount of money but out of entitlements? that is the only compromise i could see. then you get to the grand bargain idea. it seems every time i have these conversations were people ask about the grand bargain, what is the non-negotiable for obama? he wants the top marginal tax rates
president said he does not want to change the money for the pentagon. mitch mcconnell said we are not raising taxes to ransom the pentagon budget cuts. a lot of focus has been on the pentagon but these are more concerned about the $50 billion in domestic discretionary spending restraint every year. you did to the republican study committee. the announced all a thing worse than sequestration would not be having savings. this stampede attempted did not take. he denied a demand that the defense...
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it's very important to the pentagon. regrettably, a provision in the underlying bill will limit the military's ability to develop alternative fuels. members on bowles-simpson are -- both sides of the aisle are concerned that this section would cause harm to our national security and military readiness. that's why i am fighting to allow the pentagon to enter into long-term deals, to buy biofuels as long as they're made right here in the united states. montana is in a perfect position to provide the homegrown fuels our nation needs to move towards energy security. there is clearly a demand from both the military and the private sector to use american-made biofuels. in 2011, the navy, the department of energy, and the department of agriculture aimed to assist the development in support of sustainable commercial biofuels industry. they investigated the investment as alternatives to diesel and jet fuels. it included montana farmerring corporations, it would be detrimental to montana's alternative fuel industry. as a result, i
it's very important to the pentagon. regrettably, a provision in the underlying bill will limit the military's ability to develop alternative fuels. members on bowles-simpson are -- both sides of the aisle are concerned that this section would cause harm to our national security and military readiness. that's why i am fighting to allow the pentagon to enter into long-term deals, to buy biofuels as long as they're made right here in the united states. montana is in a perfect position to provide...
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someone made the comment that america's sources of power today, it is the size of the pentagon and those devil is actually had a bigger problem than us. but i would be interested in when you're thinking about policy, do you look at that the source of leverage, or did this restrain american options in terms of what you can do? >> with respect to the deficit and debt of the national security liability, we need our senior leadership and the ability to take it on. we have an opportunity to do so, we have a requirement to do so. the requirement and foundation of national power is ultimately economic in terms of global influence. and in terms of supporting the military. we have, i think, members of the house will step up in the coming months. >> how did you look at your surplus of the united states? do they say that we have america under control because of the treasury? >> superposition to the united states is very important. it is very decisive. so there is no intention for us with this economic relationship. >> i'm going to open it up to the floor. we have four microphones around the room. j
someone made the comment that america's sources of power today, it is the size of the pentagon and those devil is actually had a bigger problem than us. but i would be interested in when you're thinking about policy, do you look at that the source of leverage, or did this restrain american options in terms of what you can do? >> with respect to the deficit and debt of the national security liability, we need our senior leadership and the ability to take it on. we have an opportunity to do...
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. >> recently vice president joe biden was in attendance at a pentagon announcement of a new virginia class fast-attack navy submarine that'll be called the uss delaware. it's expected to be launch inside 2018. speaking at this 20-minute briefing were second lady jill biden, navy secretary ray mabus and delaware senator tom carper. >> thank you all for coming today to the navy ship naming announcement. today's briefing will consist of statements only, there will be no questions and answers following the statement. along with secretary of the navy ray mabus, today we are honored to be joined by second lady, dr. jill biden, and her special guest, her husband, vice president biden. [laughter] senator tom carper and lieutenant governor matt denn. thank you all for being here today, and if you're all ready, i will turn it over to secretary ray mabus, our 75th secretary of the navy. >> well, thank you all for being here. i particularly want to thank dr. biden for being here, senior senator from delaware, tom carper, and the lieutenant governor of delaware, matt denn. and, dr. biden, i under
. >> recently vice president joe biden was in attendance at a pentagon announcement of a new virginia class fast-attack navy submarine that'll be called the uss delaware. it's expected to be launch inside 2018. speaking at this 20-minute briefing were second lady jill biden, navy secretary ray mabus and delaware senator tom carper. >> thank you all for coming today to the navy ship naming announcement. today's briefing will consist of statements only, there will be no questions and...
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. >>> some fascinating new information from the pentagon contains details we never knew before about the killing of osama bin laden. cnn's brian todd has been reading newly released e-mails that fill in some of the gaps in the story of what happened. >> reporter: tense and very secretive transmissions as the aircraft carrier waits for the body of osama bin laden. it's may 2, 2011, the al qaeda leader has just been killed. two u.s. navy admirals use code words to describe bin laden. the commander says fed ex delivered the package, both trucks are safely on route home base. the e-mails heavily redakted have just been released by the defense department responding to a freedom of information act washdog. a few days earlier that strike dog asked do i need any special religious ceremonial preparations. after bin laden's buried at sea, an admiral describes the scene. tradition traditional procedures for islamic burial was followed. the deceased body was washed then placed in a white sheet then a military officer read prepared religious remarks which were translated into arabic. tipped up wh
. >>> some fascinating new information from the pentagon contains details we never knew before about the killing of osama bin laden. cnn's brian todd has been reading newly released e-mails that fill in some of the gaps in the story of what happened. >> reporter: tense and very secretive transmissions as the aircraft carrier waits for the body of osama bin laden. it's may 2, 2011, the al qaeda leader has just been killed. two u.s. navy admirals use code words to describe bin...
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i talked to one of the key guys over there and said how can i help you reform the pentagon? there must have been -- >> i bet congressmen love getting that call, grover norquist, how can i help? >> i start meetings that way. want to make the government more efficient, make it cost less and we are everybody's friend on that subject. ralph nader and i were lobbying the bush administration back in 2001. >> what about the second cliff, the bush tax cuts? >> i think -- you get towards the end in a thing and if the republicans have played it right, they said look, push it out a month or two weeks so you should never actually go over these things, just as you do with continuing resolutions. say, look, give it a week, two months. >> the president is not going to extend. he knows that he loses his leverage that way. >> the republicans also have other leverage. continuing resolutions on spending and the debt ceiling increase. they can give him debt ceiling increases once a month. have him on a short leash, here's your allowance. >> you are proposing that the debt ceiling be increased m
i talked to one of the key guys over there and said how can i help you reform the pentagon? there must have been -- >> i bet congressmen love getting that call, grover norquist, how can i help? >> i start meetings that way. want to make the government more efficient, make it cost less and we are everybody's friend on that subject. ralph nader and i were lobbying the bush administration back in 2001. >> what about the second cliff, the bush tax cuts? >> i think -- you get...
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what person wouldn't want to see a clint era sized pentagon. it is so big. you can whack it with a stick and watch all of your tax money fall out. >> absolutely. >> stephanie: aww. that was cute. okay. 45 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> damn it jim. you made me snarf on my keyboard again! it's "the stephanie miller show." >> i'm not against boogers i just prefer they're not stuck in my clothes. >> my grand-daughter repeats everything i say. everything i say. >> for life's bleachable moments there's clorox bleach. [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> announcer: stephanie miller >> it is public enemy. it is not nwa nor is it ice-t or body count. >> stephanie: okay. >> it is not the monkees i'm pretty sure. >> stephanie: 49 minutes after the hour. it is "the stephanie miller show." kevin says hey steph and the mooks, don't be making fun of my iowa raps. i'll put a cap in that feed cap. master john deere. [ applause ] >> stephanie: all right. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. dawn in michigan. hey, dawn, welcome. >> caller:
what person wouldn't want to see a clint era sized pentagon. it is so big. you can whack it with a stick and watch all of your tax money fall out. >> absolutely. >> stephanie: aww. that was cute. okay. 45 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> damn it jim. you made me snarf on my keyboard again! it's "the stephanie miller show." >> i'm not against boogers i just prefer they're not stuck in my clothes. >> my...
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it's missing from the pentagon's official website. several other medals were not awarded in a lengthy process. some of them request their names to be removed from the list while the others, they are not posted for the security reasons. >>> it is the last day for the bay area car lovers to enjoy the international car show. the auto show at the >> in san francisco is showcasing 39 automakers. for the first time, you can test drive some of the newest models. they open at 10:00 and run until 8:00 p.m. tonight and tickets are $9. >>> we have mass transit problems still, right? >> that's right. we want to remind you that they are experiencing some mechanical problems with their trains. and then just half an hour delay on trains. we also have some slowdowns in livermore. take a look at the map here. there is an accident there as well as his bell avenue. folks on the right-hand side are trying to head southbound. this has been pretty much stop and go here. you could take it there to take on the accident here. but definitely slow going. we sti
it's missing from the pentagon's official website. several other medals were not awarded in a lengthy process. some of them request their names to be removed from the list while the others, they are not posted for the security reasons. >>> it is the last day for the bay area car lovers to enjoy the international car show. the auto show at the >> in san francisco is showcasing 39 automakers. for the first time, you can test drive some of the newest models. they open at 10:00 and...
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the pentagon says u.s. policy remains that north korea must abide by restrictions imposed by the united nations security council. >> these resolutions among other things require the north korean government to suspend all activities related to its ballistic missile program. >> reporter: there's been other key activity here. the website 38north recently published a satellite image from september showing north korea testing large rocket engines. there is burned vegetation, fuel tanks and trucks which all point to critical activity. now, wolf, you remember back in april the north koreans tried one of these long-range intercontinental ballistic missile launches. that test was pretty much a disaster. the missile failed after about 90 seconds off the launch pad. so one of the questions analysts are asking themselves right now is will north korea rush it again and possibly fail? or are they going to take the time this time to solve whatever engineering problems they have and could the next test really work? wolf. >
the pentagon says u.s. policy remains that north korea must abide by restrictions imposed by the united nations security council. >> these resolutions among other things require the north korean government to suspend all activities related to its ballistic missile program. >> reporter: there's been other key activity here. the website 38north recently published a satellite image from september showing north korea testing large rocket engines. there is burned vegetation, fuel tanks...
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i am confident that the pentagon and the larger federal government can more efficiently manage its spectrum holdings and make available additional spectrum to create jobs. i hope we can work this out and have it included as part of the defense authorization bill. i certainly believe it's an amendment that's important with regard to the issue that i mentioned and that is the reallocation, relocation of spectrum in this country to allow for multiple uses, obviously important private and commercial uses out there and enormous demand, that demand is is adding significantly to our economy and creating jobs for literally thousands and millions of americans. madam president, with that i yield the floor. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: the presiding officer: the senator from michigan. mr. levin: i ask further proceedings on the quorum call be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. levin: i ask unanimous consent we proceed to the gillibrand amendment and that the time be 20 minutes debate on
i am confident that the pentagon and the larger federal government can more efficiently manage its spectrum holdings and make available additional spectrum to create jobs. i hope we can work this out and have it included as part of the defense authorization bill. i certainly believe it's an amendment that's important with regard to the issue that i mentioned and that is the reallocation, relocation of spectrum in this country to allow for multiple uses, obviously important private and...